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I have absolutely no moral qualm with eating meat.
Its natural, its healthy, its our right to eat the diet our species is designed to eat.
I will never tolerate humans being pressured into feeling they need to go veggie. The bullying and snobbery that surrounds food is atrocious.

I have as much issue with a human eating a pig as I do with a lion eating a gazelle, ie, NONE.
Both are simply the food chain, as far as Im concerned.
Both are natural, both are a higher species killing and eating a lower one, and neither should be made out to be 'evil' or 'immoral'.
Its food, get over it, frankly.

My only issue with eating meat lies purely in the way its raised and slaughtered.
And on this issue, I am as passionate as ANY vegetarian or vegan. You don't need to be a vegan to oppose animal cruelty (SHOCK HORROR!!!)
I despise factory farms as much as any vegetarian.
I do not agree with animals being kept in poor conditions, fed shit, never allowed to live a remotely natural existence, transported miles to other countries and slaughtered carelesly without regard to their wellbeing.

I often see absolutely hideous video footage of the inside of some of these farms spread by groups like PETA, who then imply that the only way to show your opposition to this is to be vegan/vegetarian, and if you're not, then you MUST be one of the bastards supporting it!
This is absolute bullshit.

You can eat meat without ever giving a penny of your money or any support to these places.
You do not need to omit meat from your diet, you simply need to be more consciencious about where you source your meat.
You CAN eat meat ethically.

I am sick to death of the implication that people who eat meat have no morals.
All the meat eaters I know have just as strict a moral code as the vegans I know!
Im sick to death at the idea that people who eat meat only do so because they are ignorant.
I probably know a shit load more about the farming and meat industry than any vegetarian I know, as I have worked on a farm that reared meat animals, and have also extensively researched meat production to ensure I was eating ethically.

The idea of 'they only do it through ignorance' is deeply offensive to consciencious meat eaters in the same way that me saying that vegetarians are ignorant.

I have done more to support animal welfare in the meat industry than any vegan I know. I campaign for farm animals to have top notch conditions.
The meat industry isn't going away, nor should it, so I think its far better to support the good farms and encourage proper animal care than to just turn a blind eye and hope the entire industry will die.
It won't.
What CAN happen, however, is better conditions for farm animals. We've already seen progress. Its slow, but it happens, and its a much better cause to throw your weight behind than simply campaigning for meat to be obliterated.

If someone doesn't want to eat meat at all, thats fine, I got NO problem with that. My best friend is a vegetarian, my brother is a vegetarian, my aunt is a vegetarian, many of my other friends are vegetarians.
But it is a dietary choice and thats all it is.

You are not morally suprior to anyone else, you are not more ethical than anyone else, you are not more informed or educated than anyone else, and you have no right to throw terms like 'ignorant' 'uninformed' 'cruel' or 'unethical' around just because someone else eats different food to you.

Yeah, there are a few ignorant meat eaters around.
But there are a few ignorant vegans too.

It is interesting that when trying to demonise the meat industry, vegan groups only show footage of the worst possible farms they can find, write big essays on the evils of factory farms, but turn a blind eye to the smaller, independant farmers who treat their animals wonderfully, better than a lot of people treat their pets.
I'd support PETA 100% on abolishing farm animal cruelty within factory farms.
I do not support the idea that in order to do that, you have to stop meat consumption COMPLETELY.

Its FOOD. Whether someone chooses to be a part of it or not is their choice, but that doesn't mean the food chain is suddenly obselete.
We are omnivores.
We have as much right as any other omnivore species to kill and eat other species.
BUT, what we do have is the ability to recognise and feel empathy for our prey's situation. The other animals don't have that.
We need to make sure we use this ability to ensure the animals we do eat have good lives, are happy, and when their time comes, are killed as quickly, efficiently and painlessly as possible.
As long as that is done, I have ZERO moral issues with eating meat.

This is why I support shooting for food (and food only).
I'd rather someone eat a rabbit or deer or whatever that has lived its entire life naturally, happily, in the wild, without any trauma of transportation, travel to slaughter houses etc and is then killed quickly without any knowledge it was even in danger than see someone pop down the supermarket and buy a pack of sausages from a pig that was probably crated its entire life, never saw daylight and was slaughtered without any consideration to its welfare.
People are often surprised that I have no issues with shooting, being such an animal lover and all. But I must state its only shooting for FOOD.
Hunting for sport is fucking sick and I would never ever support that.
But it is truely a more ethical way of getting meat, faster, cleaner, less stressful for the animal.

My only concern is animal welfare.

I have no issues with people being proud to be a veggie'.
This is in NO WAY an anti-vegetarian stamp. I have no problem with vegetarians in general.

But equally, I am proud to be an omnivore and will never accept anyone trying to make me feel otherwise.
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Hear, hear!

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Amen!

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Fav'd for the description :P

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*celebrates* tell it like it is! Iv had so many people jump on my back when I say veggie and vegans aren't the only people who are interested in animal welfare.
I also agree that hunting for food game shouldn't be frowned upon either. If you eat and make full use of the animal you kill then its fine.

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Couldn't be more dead on.
Yeah, its a shame, because it can sometimes make me look as if Im are anti-vegetarian or vegan when I post things like this stamp, and Im not at all. Im just anti the attitude of superiority and moral high-horsery some of them spout. The ones who just get on with it and don't feel the need to imply everyone except them is an animal murder are a-ok in my books.

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It's all only because of the way humans kill animals. First of all but not with the biggest matter, is that those animals you eat, are not killed by yourself (you were chasing it, catched it, killed it and started to eat it?). Lions kill their prey that way. And they don't have any problem with that, and for you I think it would be kind of a problem to kill a horse with your own hands?
There are a lot of ways humans kill animals, but none of them is even simliar to the way the other animals do. I really don't like to see how humans jump on pigs, walk on chickens, rip cows alive while they can't move and after breaking their legs, waiting 'till they die which takes much time (of cource there are other ways too).
Not eating meat is just a protest against such cruelty, at least for me. That's all. If I would feel like it, I would go and catch some cat or eat my rat (well, my rat is safe, heh).

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If you don't kill the animal yourself, you don't it meat but carrion. People who think different are making me laugh - they don't know what they it or what?

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Oh and I forgot to mention that almost half of that meat if wasting in the shop magazines.

I am forced to buy dog food made of meat, but I buy it only that much that is needed. Never wasted. If my dog doesn't like it, it's going for shelter dogs.

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"You of all people know it is not easy to explain your most fundamental perceptions and ideas."
Damn right! Irregardless of what anyone says, it IS possible to raise and kill animals for food ethically, if anything we are able to kill animals a lot more humanely than say, a big cat choking its prey to death for example.

I'm picky about where my meat comes from, but the only thing I would refuse to eat is goose liver, forgois [or however you spell it] is just plain cruel.

faved, for your wonderful description :P

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